Hi Jim

I think you are talking about first sightings of brand new vehicles? I would say if you are 100% sure of any of the above it would still be a 'sighting' and then as more details become available the gaps get filled in on here.

Is that what you mean?

This topic wouldn't happen to stem from your recent "first" sightings of the two Genies, only to then find that someone has seen them already during conversion a few months ago?

To clarify situations like this, we do sometimes end up with two or three records for the same vehicle when partial snippets of data are known (ie one person records a build number, one records a conversion, and one a RIV - we end up with three records!). As time progresses, the data becomes clearer and we end up having to merge some records to create a main single record. As a consequence, the main record suddenly has many more sightings!

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Regarding "first" sightings, some people (myself included) do sometimes count a sighting if the vehicle has no rail-wheels or even yellow paint, but will obviously become an RRV (ie it's pre/mid conversion at Rexquote/GOS/LH etc). In most cases, a snippet of info has been gleaned about the machine, such as a build number or in rare cases, a piece of paper in the windscreen with notes about future RIV number!

(Also, some people do see things and don't record it on the site, so your "first" may only be the "first recorded")