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  • Peter Winch

    Peter Winch

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    DR 75017 shunting from Plasser shed to join DR 75016

  • Peter Hall

    Peter Hall

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    With regard to Ben's 24 January 2009 posting I have the following comments.

    First thing to say is that the Trolley almost certainly isn't Type 17 1642/1934 749/DE960243 as currently described. My reasoning for this:-

    The 1642/1934 identity only appears to have been assigned in January 2009.

    On 21st January 2009 Keith posted this message on the WickhamofWare io group.

    "This is all coming together at last and we should thank Charlie Cross who has now identified the trolley as Wkm 1642, LNER 749 and 960243 of 1934, which went to the NVR with trailer 960437 (Wkm 1637 of 1934). The pair were new to LNER Murrow in August 1934. I understand the trailer was scrapped after a train ran into it."

    This was presumably following private correspondence between Charlie and Keith.

    Ben copied the message here.

    Surpringly Keith doesn't mention that for this trolley in his 'London & North Eastern Railway / British Railways (Eastern and North Eastern Regions) Motorised Wickham Car Histories' he says:-

    "Ex BR (ER) to East Anglia Transport Museum Society, Carlton Colville, near Lowestoft (960243) c1968 (IRS HB East Anglia). To North Norfolk Rly. Sheringham, Norfolk (960243) THE BUG, later dsm c1970 (IRS HB EA); there (assumed this car (KG) 21/10/1973 (RB); there 1/76 (4EL); there (dsm) 10/5/1981 (IRS313); there (engineless, cabless and lacking name and number) 5/7/81 (IRS316). Assumed one of the Wkms recorded 11/4/82 (IRS334)."

    This also doesn't tally with Keith's message on the WickhamofWare io group on 6th January 2009 when referring to the Nene Valley Trolley he says:-

    "The IRS East Anglia Handbook shows this trolley as ex BR c4/1975; and to Peter Brotherhood Ltd, for repairs, c4/1975, returned c7/1975. Is this perhaps when the conversion to its present state (eg body removed) was undertaken?"

    Also the mention in the 1981 Nene Valley Railway Stock Book that I have giving these details:-

    "Wickham petrol driven P. W. trolley (formerly based at Oundle, L.M.S.)"

    A similar reference appears in the 1983 stock book:-

    "Wickham petrol driven P. W. rail car (formerly based at Oundle, B.R.)

    Thus, the only possibility of it being one and the same is movement between the North Norfolk Railway and the Nene Valley Railway sometime in the early 1970's. This is not supported by the references I have given and others subsequently suggesting 1642/1934 was still at the North Norfolk Railway into the 1980's at least all be it little more that a dismantled trailer.

    Personally I believe, whilst at Peter Brotherhood the trolley was transformed into the condition as photographed by Mike in 1976. Then as mentioned in the WicjkhamofWare io group:-

    "It was originally complete and was stripped down some time in the early 1990's by some lads that were going to overhaul it but then lost interest." Thus, the condition as pictured in 2002.

    Thus in conclusion. The builders number of the trolley that is at the Nene Valley Railway is unknown. Certainly a Type 17 though probably of 1930's contruction.

    I would suggest this entry adjusted accordingly and a new record created for DE960243 which is clearly the trolley seen by Keith Cox on 4 Aug 1986.

  • Vince avatar

    Vince Website editor

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    Looks like there's quite the collection of trolleys and trailers in the background & to the right. Did you photo them and/or record their numbers too please?

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    also, is this caption correct as you uploaded two identical photos with two different captions.

  • Robin Morel

    Robin Morel

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    Now these DTS used as motive power have been exported two class 20 locomotives being repainted into Balfour Beatty livery 20 901 and 20 905. 20 142 and 20 189 carried BB Colours previously

  • Robin Morel

    Robin Morel

    image of DR72211

    Now these DTS used as motive power have been exported two class 20 locomotives being repainted into Balfour Beatty livery 20 901 and 20 905. 20 142 abd 20 189 carried BB Colours previously

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