With the discovery by Lee of NLU93247 at Radway Green might be worth opening up this "can of worms"!

I have NLU93248/50/51/53/55/59/62/67/75/78/79 as scrapped at EMR, Kingsbury in 2017 and NLU93252/57/66/69/70/71/77 as scrapped at S. Norton, Liverpool in 2017. Of the others NLU93242/43/56/58/60/63/80 were taken into the HOPS fleet as 99 70 9131 0xx-x and NLU 93264/74 are with Balfour Beatty. NLU93247 we now know is at Radway Green ex York Holgate whilst I believe NLU93265 is at York Holgate, NLU93268/72/81 at RSS, Wishaw and NLU93273 at the Vale of Berkeley Railway, Sharpness.

This leaves, by my reckoning NLU93244/45/46/49/54/61/76 unaccounted for, one of which is now HOPS 99 70 9131 004-2.

Any one able to add anything?

Hi Peter, some of your info contradicts what was posted by Dave Denton elsewhere in 2018. He reckons that 93268, 272 and 281 went from Wishaw to Kingsbury in 2017. Certainly there are no KFAs at Wishaw now, and haven't been for some time. He also states that 93244, 245, 249, 254 and 261 became 9131s, and 93246, 265 and 271 went to Norton's in Liverpool in February 2018. Alan Moore's posts over the years would also suggest that 93265 definitely isn't at York Holgate.

Hi Dan, it was actually Dave who is responsible for taking the "lid off the can" again with regard to these wagons. I'll post what he concludes after a re-check of his records. In the meantime this is what I have for the KFAs that became HOPS 9131s.

99 70 9131 002-6 converted from NLU93258

99 70 9131 004-2 converted from NLU932??

99 70 9131 007-5 converted from NLU93242

99 70 9131 009-1 converted from NLU93260

99 70 9131 016-6 converted from NLU93243

99 70 9131 017-4 converted from NLU93256

99 70 9131 019-0 converted from NLU93263

Additions, clarifications and corrections welcomed.

Peter/Dan, from my information I have 004-2 as having been converted from NLU93276

Dave confirms NLU93268, NLU93272 & NLU93281 were dispatched to EMR, Kingsbury c2017 from Wishaw.

Seemingly TOPS thinks NLU93244, NLU 93245, NLU93246, NLU93249, NLU93254, NLU93261 & NLU93265 are all at York. Anyone eyeballed any of these recently?

Fairly certain that no KFAs of this type are at York these days - Alan Moore would have reported them in his excellent reports. He last reported that only 92576 and the 9310s were there, KFA-wise. You're asking for trouble if you believe everything TOPS says!

I'm sure I saw some photos of a few of these wagons at Wishaw a few years ago, awaiting onward movement, but for the life of me I can't find them now!

NLU93247 was offerred for sale by Network Rail at York in February this year according to paperwork I have seen. A haulier confirms moving a wagon from York to Radway Green a few weeks ago, it being reasonable therefore to presume NLU93247 was the one involved. Thus, at least one KFA was probably still at York until recent weeks.

I'm not sure, but believe a number of items of rolling stock are actually stored inside Holgate Works. Confirmation of this and the numerical identities of the items involved would be very much welcomed.

Also, worth mentioning that precision as to which yard or set of sidings is being referred to with respect to York sightings can help greatly in tracing the whereabouts of some of the rarely reported wagons.

Interesting, thanks Peter. If there is any inside they must have been buried inside for years!

Spreading the net a bit further, it might be worth also mentioning the former Avon Binliner KFA wagons AVON92563-AVON92579. My far from up to date notes have AVON92576 as stored in Klondyke York, Yard, along with possibly AVON92569 if this hasn't been converted to something else. Also as AVON92571 & AVON92574 being in Eastleigh Works. Anyone able to confirm either way?

Else where it has been mentioned that in addition to NLU93273 a second KFA wagon is at the Vale of Berkeley Railway, this possibly being a former Avon Binliner one. Does anyone know the identity of this second KFA?

As an update on this Peter - Alan Moore has done another York yards walk around, and there's definitely no 932xx at York, that are outside at least. He reports that 92576 is still there and numbered as such (yet to become 9310 014), but he has just posted out 9310 013 as that number, possibly suggesting that 92576 has now finally been converted.

92571 and 92574 are definitely not at Eastleigh Works - indeed I can't remember them ever being there. This was backed up by a site list posted out online the other day. As far as I know, both of these two are in internal use at the Pullman works in Cardiff. I've seen a photo recently with one of the pair (looking rather worse for wear!) in the background. Believe it was 92574. If I come across the photo again I'll post a link here.

Oh, I've forgot to add previously, there's definitely one 932xx in internal use at Celsa in Cardiff, but no one has been able to report which one it is yet. It's possibly 93254 which was latterly at Cardiff Pullman works:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/trevor-plackett/21169829233/

Thanks Dan. It would be extremely useful to know if anyone can confirm the previous identity of 99 70 9310 013-6 as I have as possibly to be converted from AVON92569.

Perhaps it might also be worth while adding the 99 70 9310 00x-x RHTT wagons to ontrackplant.com.

Oops, my mistake, I put 92576 twice - yes, 92569 was the one touted to become 9310 013. Apologies for the confusion.

If 9310 03 has now been completed, it's not been added to TOPS yet; 92569 is still present.

Could the second KFA at the VoBR be 92578? I don't have any disposal details for that one...

For AVON92578 I have it recorded as scrapped at EMR, Kingsbury, ex York via Wishaw but no date. Perhaps though it never got to Kingsbury but instead found its way to the Vale of Berkeley Railway. Has anyone visited the Vale of Berkeley Railway recently and able to confirm the mystery KFA is still present and if so whetjher they could find any identity or clue to its identity?

92570 is on at Pullman Cardiff Canton (seen a couple of weeks ago)

To bring this up again, 93273 now confirmed to be in internal use at Cardiff Celsa. There had been an unknown 932xx flat there for a few years now as I mentioned above, good to finally get confirmation, and also to explain why it hasn't been seen at the VoBR.

I can now confirm that there are no wagons stored inside at York Holgate. The only KFA wagons stored in the vicinity would appear to be 92576 and 99 70 9310 013-6 (previously 92569) which are in Klondyke Yard. It would seem that the conversion of the latter has yet to be completed.